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Location: Stuck in the Big Orange Screw | Construction Problems.
I clipped the cap and and took a couple pre-draws. Nothing noticable stands out, just a nice tobacco taste. Fired it up and and made sure I had a nice, even burn. The first couple draws gave me a good punch in the mouth, strong and full bodied. The problems started almost immediately. After a few more puffs, the cigar was canoeing bad down one side. I tried to touch it up a few times, but couldn't keep up.
Flavor coming through had somewhat nutty accents to the rich tobacco, and it wouldn't be a stretch to call it buttery. Strength toned down quickly, and I enjoyed the flavor.
I had burned about an inch of the 6.5 inches. I had to set it down for a minute to go back inside...
Came back out and realized it had gone out. I wasn't gone THAT long, but oh well whatever. I knocked the ash off and looked at the lop-sided crater left. I fired it up again, trying to get it burning, but it wasn't giving me any smoke. I thought maybe it was the inverse cone giving me difficulty, so I carefully trimmed off about a half inch, to just below the bottom of the crater. There was still a burnt part in the cross section, so I cut another quarter inch. That was when I realized, this sum-bitch had tunneled on me. I kept clipping off quarter inch pieces hoping to find the end of the tunnel... I was left with a 3" stub and a small collection of interesting doughnut-looking cross sections, the last burning freely with the oxygen I granted it when it hit the pavement.
I decided to give it another go. I mean, I spent over $12 on this cigar and it has returned to me about 10 minutes of flavor. Flavor I enjoyed, but I shouldn't have to work this hard to get.
I fought with it for another 20 minutes, 2 more inches of canoeing and I'm sure more tunneling. Flavor was good, but damnit I had to fight that thing to get anything out of it.
I'll give the other Cojonu 2003 and the two Unicos that I still have a chance to make up for this brand, but at this point I am severely disappointed. I had high expectations for Tatuaje after what I've read, but this cigar totally sucked. |
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Not that you're stupid Jon...it's the only damn emo we have that say's anything like "I'm with you" on this one  Like I said in TS 3/21/06, for the money I'll take an OpusX
Edited by smokem 3/22/2006 4:21 PM
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Location: Philly, PA | How long did you let it rest after buying, but before smoking?
I've had something similar happen to me if I don't let the smokes rest in the humidor for a few weeks, minimum.
I can't imagine a cigar manufacturer producing a $12 smoke and it then burns like a second.
Something's up with that.
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Location: Stuck in the Big Orange Screw | Puffer - 3/22/2006 5:31 PM
How long did you let it rest after buying, but before smoking?
A couple weeks at 65%
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Location: Niskayuna Ny | smokem - 3/22/2006 5:20 PM
Not that you're stupid Jon...it's the only damn emo we have that say's anything like "I'm with you" on this one Like I said in TS 3/21/06, for the money I'll take an OpusX
But tom if you've only had one dont knock the whole line   The construction on the Tats are excellent. and ill say it again...excellent. I would give another go on the different sizes jon. I cant say anything about the big cojonu though. Ive not had one. Conjonu means ball buster. Its suppose be a very strong cigar. The regular and reserva line are very well done and very cuban like. Bling Bling
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Location: Stuck in the Big Orange Screw | BadBrad0616Ny - 3/22/2006 9:34 PM
The construction on the Tats are excellent. and ill say it again...excellent.
If the other 3 I have are as frustrating as this one, I'm not wasting any more of my money on any of them.
Gonna need some impeccability from what I have left, and more, for me to get over how bad this one was.
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Location: Philly, PA | DsrtEgl50 - 3/22/2006 5:52 PM
Puffer - 3/22/2006 5:31 PM
How long did you let it rest after buying, but before smoking?
A couple weeks at 65%
Not long enough.
Try 6 months.
Sometimes the different tobacco in the filler takes a while to stabilize.
My .02
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Location: Stuck in the Big Orange Screw | Puffer - 3/23/2006 9:00 AM
Not long enough.
Try 6 months.
Sometimes the different tobacco in the filler takes a while to stabilize.
My .02
That's bullshit. A $12 cigar should NEVER have construction problems of this magnitude. Period.
I can understand if it was wet and the flavor was a little sour, or if the draw was a bit stiff. I can understand that if it were dry, it may burn a little hot and the flavor would be off.
But humidity does not cause tunneling and canoeing like I saw in this cigar. Poor construction does. |
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Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL | I agree with Jonathon. A couple weeks in a well maintained, stable environment should be way more than enough time for a cigar to settle. It sure sounds like a construction issue IMO. Perhaps it was just the one bad egg out of the bunch. Or maybe this particular vitola are rolled by less than competent rollers. IMO... at $12 a stick a quality control/constructon issue as severe as described shouldnt occur.
Jon
Ill be very interested in reading what you have to say about the other sticks after you spark them.
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Location: Philly, PA | DsrtEgl50 - 3/23/2006 11:25 AM
But humidity does not cause tunneling and canoeing like I saw in this cigar. Poor construction does.
You're prob. right, dude.
I'd be bent over $12 too.
I would even consider taking them back to the retailer ... if I bought a bunch of them.
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Location: Copenhagen, Denmark | Just had my first Tatuaje ever. A friend of mine was on vacation in Florida some weeks ago and called me asking if I wanted to do a box split on these. Had them in my humi for about a week or so. Didn't experience any tunneling issues at all and the burn was pretty good. The first 1/4 I didn't care too much for the flavour but after that it grew on me and I liked it. Payed about the same as Jon for it but for that price there are several other smokes that I would put before this one. But that being said my overall conclusion on this smoke was positive. Have you smoked the other one yet Jon?? If yes how did that one turn out? |
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Location: Boca Raton, Florida | Holy resurrected thread, Batman.
DE, did you ever smoke the other one? |
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Location: North Texas | Shit, I was reading the thread as if it was current. Thanks for the heads up Boca. Yeah DE, didja ever smoke another? Inquiring minds want to know.
Edited by fiveby42 8/25/2007 11:13 AM
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I've smoked a handful more of the browns, including a Cojonu 2006, another 2003 and a Gran Cojonu (and my fav so far, the Maravilla). About 1/3rd of them have had major issues, none as severe this Cojonu though. The Unicos review I did was more in line with what I expect of the line.
I've not smoked any of the reds, though I have a few. I just got the whole red line sampler from the new retailer so we'll see about those.
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Location: Philadelphia | DsrtEgl50 - 8/24/2007 3:25 PMI've smoked a handful more of the browns, including a Cojonu 2006, another 2003 and a Gran Cojonu (and my fav so far, the Maravilla ). About 1/3rd of them have had major issues, none as severe this Cojonu though. The Unicos review I did was more in line with what I expect of the line.I've not smoked any of the reds, though I have a few. I just got the whole red line sampler from the new retailer so we'll see about those.
IMO don't bother with the reds. But if you havn't seen them in shops, deff. try the Havana Cazadore, it's packed wet in foil pouches and if you can get a retailer to open you a new pouch before putting them on the shelf and smoke it immediately, it's an amazing cigar.
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Location: Honolulu, HI | Holy resurrected thread Batman  |
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Location: North Texas | And here I am reading this now-doubly resurrected thread again as if it was new. What the heck, my two cents worth: I've got a box of Tat Havana VI Angeles and they've been nothing but great. Great flavor and no consrtuction probs whatsoever. Just the luck of the draw....although for the price, luck shouldn't be a factor. |
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Location: Death Row | I smoked a Tat West Coast that is the absolute WORST cigar that I've smoked in a very long time. It tasted like burnt plastic. I even gave one to fishdude (Scott) a few weeks ago, when I was in Houston. He agreed that they completely sucked. He pitched his at about the 1/4 mark. These run about $12 each. I would avoid these at any cost. |
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bigmike787 - 10/22/2008 8:06 AMI smoked a Tat West Coast that is the absolute WORST cigar that I've smoked in a very long time. It tasted like burnt plastic. I even gave one to fishdude (Scott) a few weeks ago, when I was in Houston. He agreed that they completely sucked. He pitched his at about the 1/4 mark. These run about $12 each. I would avoid these at any cost.
You got a bad batch or something...all of the West/East Coasts I have smoked have been flawless in construction, deep rich flavor...complex and spicy. The East Coast is the better of the two but both of these are in my top 5 Pepins. Maybe they were wet...burnt plastic huh...never had that in any cigar...I've gotten ammonia from ones not cured properly...but burnt plastic...really???
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Location: Honolulu, HI | Since this thread has moved from the Cojonu 2003 to the Havana VI and East/West Coast...I'll just through in that as far as Tatujae's go I've never smoked a bad J21 Reserva...the flavor is excellent...nice slow burn, lots of smoke...and every time I see the wrapper on these I start to salivate. Not as expensive as some of the other limited releases, but still a pricy cigar.
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Location: Panama City, FL | eraserhead - 10/22/2008 1:51 PM
Maybe they were wet...burnt plastic huh...never had that in any cigar...I've gotten ammonia from ones not cured properly...but burnt plastic...really???
Maybe we should discuss the whole cello on/cello off thing again.
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Location: Honolulu, HI | jps - 10/22/2008 10:57 AM eraserhead - 10/22/2008 1:51 PM
Maybe they were wet...burnt plastic huh...never had that in any cigar...I've gotten ammonia from ones not cured properly...but burnt plastic...really???
Maybe we should discuss the whole cello on/cello off thing again.
That was my first thought too...but these come nude...if they had cello on them, that might indicate a larger problem...you didn't buy these from some guy who said they fell off the back of a truck did you Moke?
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Location: Death Row | They actually came from Ocat. They just flat out sucked. They reminded me of the Remedios that JR sells or used to sell. Those are one of the worst cigars I've ever put in my mouth. More for you two bozos. |
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Location: Honolulu, HI | bigmike787 - 10/24/2008 9:07 AMThey actually came from Ocat. They just flat out sucked.
Were they "buttpressed"
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